Clause 8 is the long-form IP podcast hosted by Eli Mazour, featuring conversations with the people and forces shaping the patent system. Its audience includes sophisticated in-house counsel, judges, IP policymakers, senior USPTO officials, patent dealmakers, and leading practitioners. The show is designed to help listeners stay ahead of the curve by understanding not just the latest patent developments, but the personalities, incentives, and institutions behind them. Clause 8 features conversations that provide strategic insight into patent law, policy, innovation, licensing, and other issues affecting the IP community. Past guests have included major American innovators, federal judges, USPTO Directors, senior IP staff...
Latest episodes
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1 h 41
Coke Morgan Stewart Tells Her Story
When Coke Morgan Stewart became acting director of the USPTO, much of the patent world knew little about her. In this episode of Clause 8, Stewart, now President and CEO of the Cou…
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45 min
How Patent Litigation Really Moves: IAM, IP Fray, and MLex Reporters on the Year in IP
To open the season, host Eli Mazour brings together three journalists who cover intellectual property for a living: Olivia Rafferty of IP Fray, Nisha Shetty of IAM, and Inbar Preis…
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51 min
Via Eyes "De Facto" Standards for Future Pools
Kevin Mack, the new president of Via Licensing Alliance, joins Eli for the Clause 8 season finale.Kevin talks about Via's plans to build its next patent pools around "de facto" sta…
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1 h 15
AI Boom Calls for New Copyright Law, Says USPTO Chief Behind the DMCA
Bruce Lehman, head of USPTO from 1993 to 1998, joins Clause 8 for a wide-ranging conversation about the modern IP system, the internet boom, and why the AI era may require a new co…
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46 min
The AI Patent Team Alice Built Shares Its Prosecution Secrets
When Alice came down in 2014, much of the patent prosecution bar reacted with denial. Most practitioners hoped the USPTO, the Federal Circuit, or Congress would clean things up — a…
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19 min
Inventor Gilbert Hyatt's gift to America — will America accept it?
President Trump and Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick pride themselves on being dealmakers and on making the kind of unconventional deals for America no one else could have gotten…
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56 min
The Hidden Costs of “Free” Patent Licensing Initiatives
Is anything in the patent world ever really free?That question anchors a new Clause 8 conversation between host Eli Mazour and Professor Kristen Osenga, a University of Richmond la…
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1 h 08
USPTO Director John Squires' 'Foxhole Buddy' Tells All, Previews Message at Upcoming House Hearing
The story of how John Squires became USPTO Director doesn’t start inside the Beltway. It starts on the Appalachian Trail, with Doug Pittman camping under shooting stars the night a…
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51 min
The USPTO Is Changing Course. The Early Examination Data Tells a More Complicated Story.
Eli Mazour is joined by Juristat’s Francesca Cruz and patent attorney Clint Mehall to look at what the examination data actually says about recent USPTO changes. The conversation m…
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53 min
From DABUS to ChatGPT and Beyond: How AI Is Reshaping Patent Law
Artificial intelligence has been raising foundational questions for patent law long before generative tools entered the mainstream. In this episode of Clause 8, host Eli Mazour spe…
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1 h 10
How Senator Tillis’ Patent Leadership Provides Path for Cementing Recent USPTO Action
In the latest episode of Clause 8, recorded in December 2025, Eli Mazour sits down with Peter-Anthony Pappas, Director of Intellectual Property Policy for the U.S. Senate Committee…
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26 min
Head of IP’s Playbook for the AI Infrastructure Boom
How do you protect the IP of a rapidly growing technology company in the dynamic AI sector without slowing engineers or missing what really matters?That question is at the center o…
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1 h 20
HP’s Chief IP Counsel on the Advice that Propelled Her Success
While many people talk about mentorship, HP’s Chief IP Counsel Ceyda Maisami and Tradespace’s VP of IP Operations & Client Success Marcia Chang actually live it.In this episode, Ce…
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17 min
Dolby’s Chief Patent Counsel & Head of Audio Patents on Building Valuable Patent Portfolios in Uncertain Times
At the 2025 Via Licensing Alliance Bridge Summit in San Francisco, Brian Dorini, Senior Director at Dolby, and Tyrome Brown, Dolby’s Chief Patent Counsel, offered a clear-eyed look…
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1 h 20
USPTO’s “One-and-Done” PTAB Approach and its Impact on the Patent Policy Debate
Recent changes at USPTO are increasingly shaping the context in which Congress considers potential patent legislation.In the latest episode of Clause 8, the focus turns to how the…
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1 h 10
Novartis’ Global Head of IP Affairs on How Patent Eligibility Mess Threatens Life-Saving Innovation & Why He R…
Corey Salsberg, one of the leading voices on intellectual property policy in the United States, joins Clause 8 to discuss surviving the anti-pharma activism of the last administrat…
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38 min
Pioneers of the Modern Patent Pool Era at Via's Bridge Summit 2025
At the Via Licensing Alliance’s Bridge Summit 2025 in San Francisco, Clause 8 host Eli Mazour sat down with two leaders who ushered in the modern age of patent pools: Garrard Beene…
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1 h 07
Exclusive Interview: USPTO Deputy Commissioner Explains Changes to Examiner Performance Plan
In this episode of Clause 8, Deputy Commissioner for Patents Jerry Lorengo joins host Eli Mazour to share valuable, practical insights for patent professionals navigating the USPTO…
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43 min
“The Inventress” Lisa Ascolese on the Realities of Being an Inventor: You Can’t Skip the Work
When I first heard about Lisa Ascolese, known as “The Inventress,” I knew I wanted to bring her story to Clause 8.Lisa’s path into inventing began after her family moved to Brookly…
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39 min
Secrets to Successfully Licensing in Asia from Via LA's Chief Licensing Officer & HDMI LA's President
At the Via LA 2025 Bridge Summit in San Francisco, Clause 8 host Eli Mazour sat down with two leaders who play pivotal roles in connecting innovators and licensees around the world…